Comments on: Manchester City vs. Spurs: Carling Cup 1/4 Final - A Tale of Two Cities http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/ Spurs blog and Tottenham forum - news, match reports, transfer gossip and more. This is life as a Tottenham Hotspur Football Club fan. Mon, 21 May 2012 12:21:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Maineblog http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-29463 Maineblog Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:41:56 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-29463 <strong>Come Visit Maine...</strong> Information on Vacationing in Maine... Come Visit Maine…

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]]> By: Stewie http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23931 Stewie Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:00:09 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23931 Londoninflames, you'll get no grief from me. Definitely a hammers fan I could do business with. I can even tolerate your wanting us to go down (quite right we won't!), 'cos your head's facing the right direction on all the sick stuff. Shame it's not an ideal world and never will be. But that doesn't mean that anyone who can see it for what it is should just give up trying to change things. And oog, well done mate, last Tuesday. Londoninflames, you’ll get no grief from me. Definitely a hammers fan I could do business with. I can even tolerate your wanting us to go down (quite right we won’t!), ‘cos your head’s facing the right direction on all the sick stuff.
Shame it’s not an ideal world and never will be. But that doesn’t mean that anyone who can see it for what it is should just give up trying to change things.
And oog, well done mate, last Tuesday.

]]> By: londoninflames http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23909 londoninflames Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:12:58 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23909 interesting blog you've got here. i discovered it looking for examples of how footy fans are hypocritical in their chants and found good examples here - though i don't necessarily mean you yourself. i'm a west ham fan. my best friend in the world is a spurs fan. we hate each others clubs. both of us are committed anti-racists and have actually fought back to back against nazis together. the difference between us is that he is often able to "justify" racist behaviour by spurs fans whereas i am sickened by the behaviour of a small but sadly vocal minority of subhuman scum amongst my fan's supporters. the expression upton paki is simply no more acceptable than the vile hissing that some people make. likewise songs about arsene wenger fucking kids or about harold shipman murdering nans are offensive and unpleasant. the excuse that "we don't mean it" is the same that i've heard from boneheaded shitwits down the boleyn when challenged over "i'd rather be a paki than a jew". as long as people think that one sort of abuse is ok but others aren't abuse will continue. the idea that accusations of peadophilia are ok but racist songs aren't is pure hypocrisy. i'm not surprised that the steward in question 'didn't hear' the hissing, he was probably shocked by the harold shipman crap. Of course, in an ideal world he should have taken action on both chants. Regarding the Yid Army stuff, I support the right of Spuds fans to call themselves the Yid Army, but you have to remember that people are idiots. When reclaiming racist abuse you are also saying that it is sometimes acceptable. Some idiots misread this. They think that if you say it, then jews must not mind being called yid. The same argument also applies to the expression nigger, if you see what I mean. Gangster rap and the like has normalised it to the extent that lots of people think it's acceptable to use the expression nigger. It really isn't. Of course, self-censorship sucks, and you shouldn't have to do so, but you also have to remember that words have power, and there are still people in the country who don't know any jews, haven't seen the anti-semitism that still exists in this country, and don't have any real experience of how much it hurts to have expressions like Yid thrown at you. I dare say I'll get some flaming for this, but fuck it. Responsibility for fighting racism and bigotry lies with all of us. We have to challenge it, we have to refuse to justify it, we have to not make excuses or take sides over it. I want to go and watch West Ham beat Spurs at Upton Park OR White Hart Lane with my oldest mate and sit in either end knowing that neither of us will be abused or attacked. I want to sing anti-spurs songs without it being offensive and I want to hear anti-hammers songs that aren't offensive. I hate Spurs out of local friendly rivalry, nothing more, and I want my friends to hate West Ham for the same reasons, not because people wearing my colours have hissed at them. I'm not gonna wish you good luck, cos I'd love to see you go down. (But you won't). However any anti-bigotry Spud is my brother compared to a racist Hammer. interesting blog you’ve got here. i discovered it looking for examples of how footy fans are hypocritical in their chants and found good examples here - though i don’t necessarily mean you yourself. i’m a west ham fan. my best friend in the world is a spurs fan. we hate each others clubs. both of us are committed anti-racists and have actually fought back to back against nazis together. the difference between us is that he is often able to “justify” racist behaviour by spurs fans whereas i am sickened by the behaviour of a small but sadly vocal minority of subhuman scum amongst my fan’s supporters. the expression upton paki is simply no more acceptable than the vile hissing that some people make. likewise songs about arsene wenger fucking kids or about harold shipman murdering nans are offensive and unpleasant. the excuse that “we don’t mean it” is the same that i’ve heard from boneheaded shitwits down the boleyn when challenged over “i’d rather be a paki than a jew”. as long as people think that one sort of abuse is ok but others aren’t abuse will continue. the idea that accusations of peadophilia are ok but racist songs aren’t is pure hypocrisy. i’m not surprised that the steward in question ‘didn’t hear’ the hissing, he was probably shocked by the harold shipman crap. Of course, in an ideal world he should have taken action on both chants.

Regarding the Yid Army stuff, I support the right of Spuds fans to call themselves the Yid Army, but you have to remember that people are idiots. When reclaiming racist abuse you are also saying that it is sometimes acceptable. Some idiots misread this. They think that if you say it, then jews must not mind being called yid. The same argument also applies to the expression nigger, if you see what I mean. Gangster rap and the like has normalised it to the extent that lots of people think it’s acceptable to use the expression nigger. It really isn’t. Of course, self-censorship sucks, and you shouldn’t have to do so, but you also have to remember that words have power, and there are still people in the country who don’t know any jews, haven’t seen the anti-semitism that still exists in this country, and don’t have any real experience of how much it hurts to have expressions like Yid thrown at you.

I dare say I’ll get some flaming for this, but fuck it. Responsibility for fighting racism and bigotry lies with all of us. We have to challenge it, we have to refuse to justify it, we have to not make excuses or take sides over it. I want to go and watch West Ham beat Spurs at Upton Park OR White Hart Lane with my oldest mate and sit in either end knowing that neither of us will be abused or attacked. I want to sing anti-spurs songs without it being offensive and I want to hear anti-hammers songs that aren’t offensive. I hate Spurs out of local friendly rivalry, nothing more, and I want my friends to hate West Ham for the same reasons, not because people wearing my colours have hissed at them.

I’m not gonna wish you good luck, cos I’d love to see you go down. (But you won’t). However any anti-bigotry Spud is my brother compared to a racist Hammer.

]]> By: Ian Hough http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23840 Ian Hough Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:51:22 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23840 Great tale, mate, partly due to the climate and season, but also the location - the great city of Manchester. Shame you weren't going to OT though. You might have had a proper tale to tell, then. Great tale, mate, partly due to the climate and season, but also the location - the great city of Manchester. Shame you weren’t going to OT though. You might have had a proper tale to tell, then.

]]> By: scalytomato http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23836 scalytomato Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:27:39 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23836 I have a 'really good' feeling about tomorrow. Senor Ramos has quietly gone about the task of rebuilding the team despite the injury setbacks we've had - then again that's what 'management' is about - effective use of resources at your disposal. I really hope we tonk them and Juande he'll be a true legend I have a ‘really good’ feeling about tomorrow. Senor Ramos has quietly gone about the task of rebuilding the team despite the injury setbacks we’ve had - then again that’s what ‘management’ is about - effective use of resources at your disposal. I really hope we tonk them and Juande he’ll be a true legend

]]> By: scalytomato http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23835 scalytomato Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:24:15 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23835 AC Milan doodle? piece of cake AC Milan doodle? piece of cake

]]> By: Hornchurch Yids http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23834 Hornchurch Yids Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:53:25 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23834 My point exactly. Your comprehension really is coming along a treat. My point exactly.

Your comprehension really is coming along a treat.

]]> By: Ki ki http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23832 Ki ki Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:46:38 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23832 With their form - yep, I'd say it was a doddle !!! With their form - yep, I’d say it was a doddle !!!

]]> By: Hornchurch Yids http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23820 Hornchurch Yids Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:51:27 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23820 AC Milan eh? That's a doddle !!!! AC Milan eh?

That’s a doddle !!!!

]]> By: Ki ki http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23816 Ki ki Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:59:54 +0000 http://beefbagel.com/reports/2007/12/manchester-city-vs-spurs-carling-cup-14-final-a-tale-of-two-cities/#comment-23816 Slavia Prague eh ? That's a real tough draw !!!! Slavia Prague eh ?

That’s a real tough draw !!!!

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