Spurs vs arsenal - ‘we just can’t beat these cunts’

It’s 00.26 on Sunday night. It’s the first time I’ve been home since……well, you know. I was going to write this report straight after the game - an exercise in time efficiency and cathartic therapy but when I was offered another kind of treatment, alcohol therapy, I took it and I’m glad I did. It wasn’t so much the booze as the company and the oh so painful, but oh so necessary, post match post mortem but like any good doctor, I needed a second opinion.

If I had written this when I had planned to it’d have a very different feel. At least, I think it would. It’s hard to tell, I haven’t written it yet and I never will compose it as I may have at 4pm on Saturday.

Maybe that’s not true. The story’s the same. I could write this a thousand times and that and the scoreline with it will always remain the same. It’s how you feel about it that alters first from minute to minute, then by the hour and finally just every few days as you try to get perspective. I still have no appetite for football. I’ve not seen a second of any other game all weekend and nor am I ready to. But I am…calm; stoical.

Losing the home game of the Derby - which I remind some of the arsenal fans, who’ve now decided it’s safe enough to comment, is unusual - is not the end of the world, although it feels like it at the time. What the game did represent was that even the most optimistic Spurs fan would have to admit that a top four finish is not going to happen this season. In fact, with other new contenders on the scene I’m sure we’ll be quite happy with any old UEFA Cup spot this time. Winning pots is all very well and good, and there are still three up for grabs this season, but becoming a force in English football is the prize we want and we’re clearly not ready to take it; nearly but not yet.

……

‘Wake up.’

‘Wake up.’

‘Hmm?’ I say, croaking my way to life.

‘We’ve got to talk,’ says LB.

Talk? I’m just trying to work on breathing right now. I think I can suck in the odd just of air but get them to vibrate my vocal chords on the way back out? I’m not sure if I can do that. In fact, what I’ve got to do is go back to sleep. There’s a seal of sleep between the two rows of lashes on each of my eyes as hard as diamonds and I’m glad they’re there. Any beams of light going through my eyeballs is going to burn a hole on my brain, I know it. Whatever I do, I must keep my eyes closed.

‘I’m really upset.’

Oh God, what have I done? I reach for my first memory of the night before but my mind recoils. Oh God that hurt. Don’t try that again. Bad move. So I seek the answers from elsewhere.

‘What happened?’ I ask. Worse move. I’m presented with a case of incident or set of incidents from x number of hours earlier. I’ve no idea what time it is or what time I went to bed. It was dark, now it is light. Time has clearly past. I’m not really sure what I’m hearing but I’m feeling bruises all down my side where I fell down onto my sister’s beautiful but very hard polished kitchen floor. I appreciate there may be a whole bunch of memories to which I’m not going to be privy. There’s a good chance I’ve done something wrong. I can do that without realising when stone cold sober, so I start trying to iron things out, it’s just that my iron is sill rather drunk, can barely speak and is also blind right now.

An hour or so seems to have gone and I’m some way towards forgiveness but forgetting is not going to be a town the map for the rest of the day. I’m sure this wasn’t what I had in mind when I pictured the morning of another North London derby, so hopeful and full of promise. I’m sure that day began with my flinging open the shutters of The Bakery windows onto the streets of white-washed buildings in the old quarter of some Spanish town that I seem to be living in this particular fantasy. Funnily enough I’m not hungover and so the three bluebirds, that I’m not sure are native to this part of Europe, don’t bother me at all as they whistle their beautiful little songs while I fetch them some bagel crumbs to peck on.

No, this is a very different start to the day and as I walk to the tube wearing my crumpled four season old, Thompson sponsored, home shirt accompanied by an unhappy girlfriend this doesn’t feel like the kind of day that Tottenham beat arsenal for the first time in 8 years. It feels even less like it as the hot, busy, closeness of the underground train starts to get under my skin that I’m positive is growing sweaty and rapidly green.

The stops are ticking over slower than the Jumbotron clock on a one goal lead and all I can do is think about my two minute freedom. Change at Bank, change at Bank, just got to make it to the change at Bank. I’ll feel better then. And I do. Until I’m on the Central line and surrounded by a gang of chavy Hammers. If they try to give me a kicking I’ll be totally at their mercy. I’ll most certainly throw up and if I can direct it at my attackers it may be enough of a diversion to make some sort of stumbling get away. I may have to create some sort of arc of vomit to make sure I spray the whole gang. Right in their eyes should do the trick.

The tube pulls up as I’m working my way through this fantasy confrontation and I’m thrilled at my release back into the polluted, London air. Ah yes, good clean, fresh smog.

As expected there’s that derby day buzz all around the Lane. Eighty per cent are in colours for our yearly gala event and I can hear the songs already 15 minutes before the start as I queue outside to get in. A few minutes later and I’m bounding towards my gangway and up the steps until I stop and think. I want to savour this moment. This only happens once each year and I want every step up into the stadium to be another separate gift to the senses; the roar growing louder and louder and just a little bit more of the stands, the stewards, the fans and pitch to be revealed one footfall at a time.

My face is beaming as I reach the top with a pause as I stand and drink it all in. It’s like walking into your local, like seeing an old group of mates and you’ve missed every one of them. I love this day.

There’s smiles on all the faces down by my ringside seat; the lads in front, Little and Big Man and even the Junior Harpy taps me on the shoulder for her hello. What the hell, it’s even good to see her today and dressed from head to toe in the brand new home kit. You can’t deny her commitment, even less so when she’s mentions she’s going for her Tottenham tattoo the very next day. I’ve always like the idea but there are times I don’t want to be reminded of football.

Just before kick off Omar arrives down the row, fresh from his last cheeky fag before 90 high stress minutes without a stick to get him through.

‘So are you going to leave early again?’ I josh him as I remind him about JJ’s equaliser in the 90th last season. He wasn’t the only on who’d left. I was bouncing around the stands on my own not six months ago at this very game.

The players take the field and I can’t help laugh at the pantomime of it all as the crowd cheers and boos at the appropriate moments.

‘In goal for arsenal today is….Booooooooooooo…….and Number 1 for Tottenham it’s Paul Robinson…Hurray!’

From the first minute it’s everything we can do to keep hold of the ball. It’s all under control but the arse are playing at a speed used half a beat faster than we’d like to. There’s little time for any white shirt to take the best touch or pick the best pass before there’s an enemy boot bearing down on them. Until the game settles it’s arsenal with the majority of the possession and they look as dangerous as they do each season but we’re matching them in every department.

There’s round upon round of ‘I love Martin Jol’ (to Land of Hope & Glory) and ‘Martin Jol’s Blue and White Army’ in this first home game since the Ramos affair. The whole stadium’s in voice with our hopes as high as our support for the manager and if the arsenal fans are singing there’s no opportunity to hear them. I love this feeling. Please let it last.

There’s just a quarter less pace as the game finds its feet and you tell it’s going to be tight. Clichy makes a break down the left on a typical arsenal counter and play enters that zone on the other side of the field where goals are often shot from. I know that picture. I’ve seen it before and I breathe a heavy sigh as we clear our lines. When it comes, it’s going to be like that. It’ll be fast, sure, clinical and suddenly we’ll have a mountain to climb.

Lee and Bale start to work the ball up the left in this new partnership that seems to be starting to gel and they get the ball to Berbatov, grateful for a little forward’s time on the ball. A lot of Dimi skill and a little professionalism wins us a free kick just to the left centre and every eye with out a word moves to one man in white.

‘Come on them Gareth,’ says Omar, ’show us what you can do.’

I’m remembering the hype - the new Beckham and he certainly stands like him as he holds the kicker stance and composure; feet a stride apart, shaggy black hair down and towards the ball. He’s picked his spot, now what’s he going to do? The whistle blows. A step, a dummy lay off from JJ and….and…it’s in and there’s derby goal carnage that only be seen to be understood. Imagine a normal goal celebration but with less care for your own safety. Bodies fly around the crowd in what’s more like a loved up mosh pit than anything else and after a good few minutes of, ‘BALE! BALE! BALE! BALE!’ the game gets going again and we think about sitting down - well, in a bit, anyway.

I look at the clock. It says 15 minutes and I dread to think about holding this score for the rest of the game. Making it to half time’s going to be tricky enough but we’re looking solid and even a little more dangerous. We’re tackling hard and pushing for a second with every player well aware of what we’ve got to do. There’s foul after foul called on Berbatov as he backs into Gilberto and Toure for every single long ball. He twists up their shirts blind side to the ref and pulls them back down. It’s hard to tell if he’s the antagoniser or the frustrated.

Fabregas takes a turn and with it two players out of the game and the arsenal attack runs free. Fine details of the play fall out of my view but I understand the movement, I know the shape. I know what a fast telling play looks like and this looks like one. There’s a lay off somewhere in front of our goal and I can tell it’s been teed up for a red shirt to hit. I wont know which one until the ball is struck and in what seems like forever as the ball trickles on, my heart sits on top of my tongue. But no contact is made or if it is, it’s with a solid Tottenham block and my eyes can blink again.

And this is how it goes for the rest of the half with no fear from the Tottenham team at a hurried pace and our attacks as probing if not as fluid. There’s new found muscle in the ranks with the Man Mountain just that. He flies in at an open header, taking on three arsenal players, one of them out and winning the ball. Sagna is led over to our side of the field nursing a battered temple but decides the danger of concussion is better than whatever may be thrown at him, verbal or physical, from the Shelfside fanatics.

Steeds running about with his low centre of gravity, fighting three times with every challenge he makes, his little toe winning possession with the final stretch of is leg. It’s a great game. It’s an even match. We’re with them every step of the way.

With 5 minutes left before the break, I have flashes of the past before my mind. We always concede here before the break. We never go in ahead and the players seem to sense it too. We retreat a yard for the last two minutes with half time talk on every Spurs players mind. ‘Just make it to the half,’ they’re saying, ‘just make it to the half,’ and there’s loud applause and an audible out blow of breath as the whistle calls us home.

Up at the Bagel Wagon, it’s tension all round as one by one our gang converges. It’s the same look on every face and neither Oog, Chrissie, Gillian, Liv or my mate Charlie (a Yiddo through and through) will dare say what’s on our lips and bubbling under the surface of every fast flicking set of eyes just in case we catch the same thought in each other ‘We could hold this you know, we could do it today.’

I stay inside for as long as I can knowing that every minute next to the Jumbotron clock is going to be as slow as a whole 90 at any other game but excitement gets a hold of me. I daren’t miss a second of the Derby and I’m back to my seat a good five minutes before kick off.

I splurge a quick ‘We’ve got to do this today,’ to Big Man as he nods his excitement back from way up in the clouds and the arsenal team walk out to the pantomime boos with their heads hung low and their shoulders low slung. Its the sharp comparison that flicks the switch in my head as the boys in white come charging out as one team, with one purpose and a date with destiny. Maybe we really can do this.

The first 20 of the second half plays much as before; the slinky smooth scum liked a coiled cobra waiting to strike, Spurs like a mongoose dancing about like featherweight boxer testing and probing to find another way through. Adebayor’s skied shot with the goal at his mercy is only topped minutes later by Berbatov’s chance to double our lead as he rounds the arsenal keeper. We’re all on our feet as he takes it beyond. My hands are at my face. Shoot, shoot! My fingers are in my mouth as he takes on the next man. Shoot, shoot! My arms are practically down my throat and out the other side and finally the ball is taken away as all the fans and Dimi alike are left stunned. There’s a yelp like a injured dog from the crowd. We all know the difference it would have made. We still holding strong but surely we can’t keep them out forever.

I’ve promised myself I wont look at the clock but I can’t help a glance. I’ve managed to stay strong for less than a minute.

Arms fly up high and we all get to are feet as some travesty is committed in front of our block. It’s a free kick to the arse and I know the routine. I hate a goal from an unjust foul. Don’t let this go…

The away fans make some noise for the first time in the game. I’ve seen the line of players merge into one as the ball’s flown in. The white shirts running out, the reds running in and finally Robbo disappearing into the melee as the balls falls into the net with no one to stop it. We all knew it has to come some time but it’s stupid to concede yet another set piece and from a team who aren’t much good at them.

Sixty-five minutes is the time it took. We know we can score again but no-one’s sure if we will. The fans look to the players for signs of belief and the players look to the fans for support. I’m willing the Park Lane to start their song, to drown at the visitors with a ‘Come on you Spurs’ but nothing comes. We’re all just as frail.

arsenal have the momentum but they don’t have the play. The match is as even as before but as more chances are squandered at out attacking end, more errors are made, more misplaced passes, more hasty, unconsidered moves. We groan and we groan as Keano has a good shot saved and Big Bad Tom miss-hits a volley after such a good game.

‘I thought that was in,’ says Omar and so did I. The ball came in from Chimbonda and our central giants shape looked perfect, his body position just right but just a scuffing today.

On the 80th it’s the blow we all feared; the second, the sealer. Fabregas, their play maker as ever, starts another move up the pitch with strikers in front. ‘Cover the runners,’ I hear from the voices behind and they do as Dawson and Kaboul smother movement from Van Persie and Adebayor. In five yards or so they’ll have to go to the man but he doesn’t need to be that close. At a good distance he unleashes the shot and there’s that terrible moment of disbelief when the ball stops in the netting, only accepted once the away fans cheer, like my eyes aren’t enough on their own.

‘1-0 and you fucked it up, 1-0 and you fucked it up’ sing the visitors, as if to let them score against us was criminal, like they’re not good enough to. It’s a strange way to look at it but it’s not their taunts that are getting to me today. It’s nothing we haven’t heard before. This is standard footballing stuff. Today I’m gutted because of us, because of the score. Sure we can equalise, we usually do but I don’t want that this season. I’m not interested in a draw. I want to win. I want the high. I want the satisfaction. I want to break the curse. I want to prove ourselves a force and a draw will do none of those things.

Before the 65th minute I’d been day-dreaming of it finishing 1-0. Every time I pictured so much as a flash of the scene tears welled up in my eyes. If we had won I know I would have cried, like some tragic and beautiful melodrama, the end of a tear-jerking blockbuster as the want-away son comes good or the old friends team up once again or the death of the heroes father is finally avenged. I knew I’d be in pieces. But however my heart would flutter I know I’d rather look a fool on Match of the Day than feel that kick in the guts once more, the one I know I’m going to feel in less than 10 minutes time.

Darren Bent s brought on for a last throw of the dice and yet more chances are missed as twice he muscles himself an opening.

‘Do think we’ll score if I leave?’ asks Omar with 86 on the clock.

‘Not this time,’ I say, ‘a draw isn’t enough.’

‘We just can’t beat these cunts,’ he says to me and I’ve never heard such a simple phrase sum up such a mess if feelings in my heart and my head. It doesn’t matter who we blame or what we change. It makes no difference who they are or how we play. This arsenal team was there for the taking but right now and for the last 8 seasons, for some reason, we just can’t beat these cunts.

Adebayor’s perfectly taken chest and volley completes are visitors’ dreams and gifts them the most flattering of scorelines and finally, almost mercifully, the torture is over.

I sit at my seat staring out at the empty pitch as my neighbours grunt me goodbyes and the stadium drains. I feel like a Scotsman on a craggy, Highland cliff with the wind in my hair as I contemplate our fate. It’s a good five minutes until I turn around to see one man left at the back of the block.

‘Come on,’ he says, ‘let’s go and get pissed.’ And with that my early plans to right this report disappear like the fans from the gates and I follow Oog down to the Victoria.

Recipe to forget about the darkest of Derbies:

  • Post mortem with good friend until the every single detail of Spurs past, present and future has been picked through
  • Beers down pub
  • Learning to ride a BMX built for a three-year-old on the rest of a sunny afternoon
  • Fish and Chips
  • A cocktail party
  • 1 Long Island Ice Tea
  • 1 New York Sour
  • 2 Cosmopolitans
  • 1 Pink Gin
  • Shake, strain, serve over ice
  • Followed by a nice, warm, soft sympathetic and very, very accommodating night with one’s girlfriend

The Bagel.

28 Responses to “Spurs vs arsenal - ‘we just can’t beat these cunts’”

  1. TobytheYid Says:

    Dear Bagel,

    After the tears had dried, I got chatting to a mate who is a sports journo at sky, who seemed to infer that it was Jol who had forst touted himself around this summer, after Spurs had told him they wanted him to stay.

    The next day the sometimes-interesting-snd-always-badly-edited ‘Sunday Supplement’ programme on sky sports, they Nes of the Screws hack alluded to the same fact! One club he spoke to was dutch, the other a premier league club.

    It could all be utter bunkum, however…

    Why would Jol do that?

    If he did, Levy was simply trying to sound out a possible placement - a sensible decision.

    Has anyone else heard this? Am I, as usual, the last to know?

  2. graeme morris Says:

    yeah?
    then what?

  3. FRENCH POODLE Says:

    you twats…

  4. 1992Yido Says:

    bagel i realy think u should delete any abusive comments from the goon-ers…..

  5. The Bagel Says:

    Sometimes I think about it and then I just think it shows up those that do as the sad acts that they are.

    Tha Bagel.

  6. arsenalroc Says:

    hey boys,
    look i am an arsenal fan to death but i do feel sorry for you boys. first of all we are not your rivals- arsenal is a far superior side in terms of quality and fitness- this showed in the match. You guys had your chances but just didnt take them. simple as that. towards the end you were sluggish and did not pick up the markers. It was a derby and was played like it. But let me highlight a difference between arsenal and spurs. the fans- when arsenal lost a big match- NOBODY cried for wenger’s head even how badly we went last season AND we critize him for selling players but always the is a feeling that wenger knows. you spurs are ungrateful cunts! Mj took you to your highest position and nearly qaulfied for the champs league and you turn on him! shame!
    you will never be in the position to challenge arsenal!

  7. Yid of the Norf Says:

    arse*@rot

    You are soooooooo miss informed.

    We the Spurs fans have never once turned on MJ, we are the ones singing his name, clearly, loudly & proudly

    We know we have acheived more under Jol’s guidance than any one else in the last 15-20 years. I certainly don’t want him to go, yes some of his tactics are questionable, but we have consistently shown improvement during his tenure

    COYS!

  8. chimbondage Says:

    Yid of the norf - im afraid to say he is not entirely misinformed- i do not rate martin jol, i was always unsure about him - something not quite right. last season i decided he was not good enough - and he has proven me correct this year (i am not fickle - i have never sung his name).

    with him in charge we are going nowhere, and fast.

    after getting my hopes up once again, only to be dashed to the point where i can no longer be bothered to read the football section of the paper, i cannot offer any further support (or tolerance to be more realistic) to him.

    i was probably the only person who was excited by the ramos meeting - i actually thought yes, we are making a brave and positive decision, only to have the majority of the ‘oh i love martin jol’ fans to ruin the chances of that union.

    with him in charge we are destined to finish mid table - i hope those of you who emailed spurs to cry about the possible loss of jol will be happy with this.

    the club is bigger than the manager (even in this case) - its just a shame some are too delusional to see this.

    p.s. i was there for the dark days under gross, hoddle, graham, pleat etc - and yes jol has done a much better job - but if he cannot learn from his basic mistakes (which he not only refuses to learn from, he remakes the errors time and time again) - he cannot take us to where we belong. luck only gets you so far………..

  9. graeme morris Says:

    chimbondage:- the fans didn’t ‘ruin the union’. Spurs supporters who are loyal to BMJ aren’t ‘delusional’.
    The arsenal fan was saying we are crap because we turned on our best manager for 20 years. We didn’t.

    Arsenalroc:- no one was calling for Wenger to be sacked because he is clearly and demonstrably a world class manager. If you think not calling for Wenger’s head proves you a better group of supporters than spurs, then you are quite frankly an idiot.

  10. chimbondage Says:

    sorry to say it graeme, but i fear that the majority of ‘BMJ’ loyalists are delusional - to the point of sending in email upon email to keep him in his £1mill a year job. this led to the backtracking from our board etc, and so was a major factor in the non union.

    plus arsenalroc is not suggesting we called for his head during the game - he is saying we have turned on him in general. which, granted, is not true - surely its only a matter of time?

    one last point - i want jol to succeed (as he is in the job now) so if he turns it around and we win the uefa cup i will happily admit i talk shit. i only want whats best for my club.

  11. arsenalroc Says:

    look guys- i am just writing after reading reports EVEVRYWHERE that martin jol needs to be sacked. i wonder why no blog is taking about the positives especially that towering midfielder you have- he gave us SERIOUS problems and gareth bale’s freekick?? all i hear in this blog and others are negative comments- look the positives?? you have a talented side and one day you will challenge arsenal- go get off your high horses and back your team! peace out

  12. Yid of the Norf Says:

    Chimbondage

    I certainly didn’t e-mail whining for MJ to get the manager’s job, all I was saying was what graeme morris quite well put; MJ is our best manager for the last 15-20 years. However, I’m sure we all want what you want, the best for our club. If MJ goes & it looks as if it’s onlyt a matter of time, our loyaly remains with the club & not the outgoing manager, so we’ll all embrace the change with good will & big hopes & dreams for our future under the new manager. I want success at Spurs just as much as you, my son my next door neighbour etc…

    graeme morris

    Thanks for your support & it was very well put

    ares–rot (joke, no offence intended)

    I agree with your last comments & how refreshing not to get the usual mindless rants & rather some constructive & positive points. Well done mate

    Onwards & upwards to Bolton, my son Mini-Yid will be there. Little Sammy will be looking to turn his season around as well, so it may be a hum dinger, otherwise we get our act together & punish them big style, that way we can move up the table a bit & start to sort out our goal difference

    COYS!

  13. graeme morris Says:

    wow arseroc - some kinda u-turn, what?
    ‘you will never be in the position to challenge arsenal!’ turns to ‘you have a talented side and one day you will challenge arsenal’ in the space of one post?
    nah - just kidding - you make some good points, right enough.

    yup - onwards and upwards to bolton!

    i forgot to say what i was going to when i first posted, which was: well done beefbagel - it’s a really good account you give of the match. Because I can hardly ever get to WHL (skint, distant, progeny, the usual), I rely on newspapers and the internet forums where spurs supporters go to find out what happened. It’s so refreshing to read something by a passionate spurs fan who doesn’t just get hysterical and start blaming the same players he always blames. Nice article. If you write this kind of stuff when you’re hung over, the solution is simple:- get hung over, write more stuff!

  14. Clock End Gooner Says:

    I’m still laughing lads… ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahah…

    You’d think, after years & years of blowing hot air, you’d try n’ keep your traps shut, before actually delivering anything, but nope, same again this year… and you are left looking embarrassing, YET AGAIN!!

    N’ I FUCKING LOVE IT!!! HA HAHAHAHAHAHA

  15. Yid of the North Says:

    graeme morris

    How distant are you from The Lane?

    Mini-Yid & I are in Lancashire now, so the trip to Bolton isn’t too far. We try to get to as many games as possible from Birmingham & northwards, we always try to get to The Lane once or twice a season

    COYS!

  16. Wilson Says:

    Normality is restored in gooner/yid society.

    Cheers, Bell End Gooner.

  17. Wilson Says:

    *Cock

  18. Wilson Says:

    *Clock

  19. FRENCH POODLE Says:

    one day you tw*ts will actually beat us and you will all be venting your sad, pathetic spleens on any arsenal blog you can find about how sh*t we are and that you are the greatest london side ever…then you will remember that it is only the 2nd time you will have beaten us in 30 odd games(inc. before Wenger) and you will still tear up yer season tickets with 2 games left of the season and chuck them at the dugout…

    lets hope Jol stays .

  20. graeme morris Says:

    yid of the north

    i’m in manchester - but really for all the lucre i can generally scrape together i might as well be on another planet.
    do you and mini-yid get seats in the neutral area, when you go to games, or do you just sit quietly among the opposing fans?
    i’m thinking i could get to the city game on 15th march - it’s a distant possibility I could even bring my kids - which i would just LOVE.

    cock-end groomer and dog

    how interesting your comments are! I don’t know how your wives/loved ones/friends can stand to be separated from you while you formulate your ideas at the keyboard. I could almost HEAR your laughter, clock-end, you described it so skilfully. And Poodle - the psychological insight is breathtaking! I bet that really IS what all us Spurs fans do:- we’ll just throw our season tickets at the dugout, won’t we!

  21. Yid of the Norf Says:

    graeme morris

    Thanks to good connections I always manage to get seats with the Spurs fans on away excursions. Bolton this Sunday, not able to get to another until Middlesbrough, a bit of a gap I know but what with work commitments etc… I’ll certainly be intending to go to the citeh game, so who knows, there may be a chance for us to meet up

    How long have you been up this end of the country? I’ve been here for 10 years, purely to show these norvern monkeys some style, culture & decency really!

    COYS!

  22. Lillywhite N17 Says:

    FRENCH POODLE -

    One day us ‘tw*ts’ (you mean ‘twits’ i suppose…) will beat the Arses and we’ll be over the moon and some of us will probably take their chance to dish out some stick on a Goon blog somewhere. What’s wrong with that? That’s exactly what you’re doing now, SILLY….

    Arsenal have had a habit (or just plain good luck) of appointing the right managers. Graham and Wenger. (Rioch don’t count as he was only a stop gap…) You’ve had the right men in charge for almost two whole decades and that has been great for you and that is the SOLE REASON why you’ve kept the continuity and had your moments of success. It can’t have been pure genius on the part of the board, they both worked out and that has been it, LUCK. Luck that it all worked out so well…

    We haven’t had that situation and the unfortunate instability continues, no luck with the men in charge.

    The thing is your beloved Goons are about as English a club as PSG these days and played tripe football under Graham for years. Arsenal seem to lack identity as a club and the fans couldn’t give a monkey’s as long as you stay around the top of the league. Ok fair enough, a lot of fans will put up with anything if you’re winning but from rubbish football under Graham to a totally foreign side under Wenger, you lot just don’t seem to care…

    At Spurs there has ALWAYS been a tradition of playing good football, not just under the current manager. Also, the policy at the club is to sign/bring on a large percentage of young home-grown talent which helps to preserve the identity of the club. None of these things are even considered at Arsenal, shame on you.

    No wonder you’ve got Wenger on a mega bucks deal for him (also Russian dirty cash soon to follow) to stay. It would be pushing it to expect to get lucky for a third time…

    YOUR MANAGER IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB!

  23. Moorish Says:

    Lilywhite, to summarise your post:

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah sour grapes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

    When Spurs beat the Arse the fans will brag and will have earned it. Until then guff like that just seems like:

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah sour grapes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

    For all the pontificating any Spurs fan would give his right bollock to have had Wenger manage the team for 10 years and achieve the level of success he has.

  24. FRENCH POODLE Says:

    Lillywhite- so your club has had 46 years of bad luck then has it ? (ie the last time you had a great manager) that is the greatest pile of tripe I have ever heard.
    We are a well run club with some intellectuals at the helm. It does help to have some brains so perhaps you should consider whether there are many brain cells being rubbed together during your clubs board meetings….

  25. FightTheFuture Says:

    ^^ Piss off Frog Dog.

    No-one says we’ve had 46 years of bad luck.

  26. adam Says:

    i really enjoyed reading that. your pain brings me so much joy.

    reason you juct cant beat us is obvious… tiny pea hearts and not good enough.

  27. Lillywhite N17 Says:

    Moorish & Poodle…

    Please refer to all the great points i made in my post about your faceless club rather than ‘cherry pick’ the bits you feel you have something lame to repond with.

    As has already been pointed out, nobody has said we’ve had 46 years of bad luck… I clearly remember us taking the FA cup away from you to deny you the chance of the ‘double’ in 91? It wasn’t pure luck but by goodness it was nice to beat you lot at the old Wembley!! So lets just say we haven’t always been ‘unlucky’ shall we?

    I was refering to the fact the you have been LUCKY with appointing the right managers. That’s why Wenger is bigger than your club, why not expand on that and the point that you are the ‘Ex-Council Tip PSG’ with no home grown talent at all rather than go on about “46 years of bad luck”? Never said that you see…

  28. sharad Says:

    sorry boys but sp*rs are complete and utter shite cunts. I found this forum months later by googling ” utter cunts” and voila! There you were.

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