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		<title>By: Oi oi</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/08/the-gain-in-our-loss/#comment-16541</link>
		<dc:creator>Oi oi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hornchurch - he's been a fan longer than most you get at the bridge !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hornchurch - he&#8217;s been a fan longer than most you get at the bridge !</p>
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		<title>By: Oi oi</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/08/the-gain-in-our-loss/#comment-16540</link>
		<dc:creator>Oi oi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How we ALL laughed at leeds, except maybe cardiff:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2149693,00.html

Yep - he's done it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How we ALL laughed at leeds, except maybe cardiff:</p>
<p><a href="http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2149693,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2149693,00.html</a></p>
<p>Yep - he&#8217;s done it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Hornchurch Yids</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/08/the-gain-in-our-loss/#comment-16539</link>
		<dc:creator>Hornchurch Yids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, he doesn't sound too bad.

He has been a fan for eight years after all.

Hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, he doesn&#8217;t sound too bad.</p>
<p>He has been a fan for eight years after all.</p>
<p>Hilarious!</p>
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		<title>By: Hornchurch Yids</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/08/the-gain-in-our-loss/#comment-16538</link>
		<dc:creator>Hornchurch Yids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, lets read what Usmanov himself has to say.

"I have been an Arsenal fan for eight years and I think the club 
has the best manager in the Premier League," Usmanov told the London 
Evening Standard.
      "But this purchase of mine is not a strategic or a political 
one. It's a portfolio investment. Arsenal as a business was 
undervalued.

It's all there in black a white. He doesn't see you as a football club but as a business. Looks like your club is about to be sold down the swanny.

Right on Comrade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, lets read what Usmanov himself has to say.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have been an Arsenal fan for eight years and I think the club<br />
has the best manager in the Premier League,&#8221; Usmanov told the London<br />
Evening Standard.<br />
      &#8220;But this purchase of mine is not a strategic or a political<br />
one. It&#8217;s a portfolio investment. Arsenal as a business was<br />
undervalued.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all there in black a white. He doesn&#8217;t see you as a football club but as a business. Looks like your club is about to be sold down the swanny.</p>
<p>Right on Comrade!</p>
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		<title>By: oog</title>
		<link>http://beefbagel.com/bagel/2007/08/the-gain-in-our-loss/#comment-16537</link>
		<dc:creator>oog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok. You're not deluded. You're completely one eyed and you admit it.

On some level, I respect that, I suppose! And I'm always happy to laugh at Leeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok. You&#8217;re not deluded. You&#8217;re completely one eyed and you admit it.</p>
<p>On some level, I respect that, I suppose! And I&#8217;m always happy to laugh at Leeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Oi oi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oi oi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not convinced I'm deluded.

If spuds were being taken over my some russian oil magnate, I would be the first to condemn your lot for selling out to the highest bidder and back stabbing the fans, in return I would expect you all to disagree.

Like all people, this is about my place in the world. My place in my house, among other things, is to trap spiders and release them outside, wifeys place is to pack when we go on holiday.

My place here is to find fault and condemn our bitter neighbours, while trying my best to appear squeaky clean.

So my points regarding some pathetic oil-rich ex-prisoner Putin drinking companion are completely valid, and the chances of him getting his claws into the club are zip.

What I would hate most would be some Kenyon / Ridsdale type fella showing the world how to run a club, especially if it were mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced I&#8217;m deluded.</p>
<p>If spuds were being taken over my some russian oil magnate, I would be the first to condemn your lot for selling out to the highest bidder and back stabbing the fans, in return I would expect you all to disagree.</p>
<p>Like all people, this is about my place in the world. My place in my house, among other things, is to trap spiders and release them outside, wifeys place is to pack when we go on holiday.</p>
<p>My place here is to find fault and condemn our bitter neighbours, while trying my best to appear squeaky clean.</p>
<p>So my points regarding some pathetic oil-rich ex-prisoner Putin drinking companion are completely valid, and the chances of him getting his claws into the club are zip.</p>
<p>What I would hate most would be some Kenyon / Ridsdale type fella showing the world how to run a club, especially if it were mine.</p>
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		<title>By: oog</title>
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		<dc:creator>oog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the plagiarism, hornchurch yid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the plagiarism, hornchurch yid!</p>
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		<title>By: oog</title>
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		<dc:creator>oog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oi oi - you can make points about why this doesn't affect Arsenal, but we all know that if exactly the same thing was happening to Spurs, you would be talking about the "shareholders and their financial interests coming first"

If you really think that your lot (whether it stays the current lot, or whether the orange man as you call him gets his way) are running the club for the fans and not the shareholders then, as Bagel says, dream on. 

You really are deluded. That said.....

As it happens, I have never for a moment thought that any premier league club is being run for the fans. And I have no particular view about whats going on about Arsenal. It might be a disaster, it might be a success, in footballing terms. Whatever it is, its all about "the man" doing it for himself, and its the same at every club. Personally, I choose to love my football team regardless, and essentially I hate all the rich oligarchs and obsecene finances that make me feel like a hypocrite for following a sport I love. But I acknowledge it, and don't make anti Arse or anti Spurs comments based on whether essentially the same vulgar capitalist pissing contest is being played out by rich bastards at Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelski or wherever.

And unlike your chairman, I don't care if we're British owned or foreign owned.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi oi - you can make points about why this doesn&#8217;t affect Arsenal, but we all know that if exactly the same thing was happening to Spurs, you would be talking about the &#8220;shareholders and their financial interests coming first&#8221;</p>
<p>If you really think that your lot (whether it stays the current lot, or whether the orange man as you call him gets his way) are running the club for the fans and not the shareholders then, as Bagel says, dream on. </p>
<p>You really are deluded. That said&#8230;..</p>
<p>As it happens, I have never for a moment thought that any premier league club is being run for the fans. And I have no particular view about whats going on about Arsenal. It might be a disaster, it might be a success, in footballing terms. Whatever it is, its all about &#8220;the man&#8221; doing it for himself, and its the same at every club. Personally, I choose to love my football team regardless, and essentially I hate all the rich oligarchs and obsecene finances that make me feel like a hypocrite for following a sport I love. But I acknowledge it, and don&#8217;t make anti Arse or anti Spurs comments based on whether essentially the same vulgar capitalist pissing contest is being played out by rich bastards at Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelski or wherever.</p>
<p>And unlike your chairman, I don&#8217;t care if we&#8217;re British owned or foreign owned&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Hornchurch Yids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hornchurch Yids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really are deluded if you believe that your club is immune to a takeover.

What on earth do you think Dein and this Russian backer is doing then? 

When the price is right your present shareholders will sell. 

In your earlier post you said, "I expect the team to be run in the way the fans demand, not in the best financial interests of the shareholders".

That's admirable but, as I said earlier, deluded. I suggest you wake up and stop talking such high minded bollocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really are deluded if you believe that your club is immune to a takeover.</p>
<p>What on earth do you think Dein and this Russian backer is doing then? </p>
<p>When the price is right your present shareholders will sell. </p>
<p>In your earlier post you said, &#8220;I expect the team to be run in the way the fans demand, not in the best financial interests of the shareholders&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s admirable but, as I said earlier, deluded. I suggest you wake up and stop talking such high minded bollocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Oi oi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oi oi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, this is another coup attempt by the orange man to take over the club and increase his own personal fortune.

But I can't see how it really affects us, if the russian and the american joins forces they still don't own 30% of the club, if they were to increase holdings above 30% they would be forced to make an offer, which may well be rejected.

We have money to spend, but Arsene chooses not to spend it, we are in profit to the tune of 15odd million from transfers this year alone, and have the Â£5 million annual transfer budget to add to that, with cash reserves from making the group stages of the CL, and the fact that Ashburton Grove is the most profitable club in the world, we're kinda loaded.

I can't see how we need more cash reserves when we don't spend the money we have, and even though some sections of the fans might implore Arsene to spend on a quick winger or two, we aren't spending.

Arsene sees that the squad is good enough to win the league, and I happen to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, this is another coup attempt by the orange man to take over the club and increase his own personal fortune.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t see how it really affects us, if the russian and the american joins forces they still don&#8217;t own 30% of the club, if they were to increase holdings above 30% they would be forced to make an offer, which may well be rejected.</p>
<p>We have money to spend, but Arsene chooses not to spend it, we are in profit to the tune of 15odd million from transfers this year alone, and have the Â£5 million annual transfer budget to add to that, with cash reserves from making the group stages of the CL, and the fact that Ashburton Grove is the most profitable club in the world, we&#8217;re kinda loaded.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how we need more cash reserves when we don&#8217;t spend the money we have, and even though some sections of the fans might implore Arsene to spend on a quick winger or two, we aren&#8217;t spending.</p>
<p>Arsene sees that the squad is good enough to win the league, and I happen to agree.</p>
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